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 Post subject: Southridge Mall moving bus stops (again)
PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:31 pm 
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Milwaukee County supervisors on Wednesday called for a legal review of the Southridge Mall owner's decision to move bus stops to the mall's perimeter by Nov. 1.

The change would pose a hazard to people with disabilities, the elderly and others and represents a bullying tactic that shouldn't be tolerated, opponents to the change said.

Southridge is owned by Indianapolis-based Simon Property Group. It owns 279 malls in 38 states, including five in Wisconsin, according to the firm's website. Southridge is Simon's only mall in the Milwaukee area.

Supervisor Steve F. Taylor said the county should use "hardball" tactics against the mall operator, including ignoring the company's directive and continuing to have buses use the stops closer to the mall entrances.

"If Southridge...wants to play hardball, we should play hardball," Taylor said. "What are they going to do? Are they going to call the cops? Write another letter?"

Supervisor Patricia Jursik called for a community boycott of Southridge if its owner persists in the bus stop change. She said she would personally boycott Southridge.

The board's transportation committee voted unanimously to conduct a legal review on the issue, including whether the federal Americans with Disabilities Act prohibits discriminating against people with disabilities who use the bus vs. those who go to Southridge by car.

Simon has said the change is needed because of damage buses cause to the pavement in the mall parking lots, according to Brian Dranzik, transportation director for the county.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/supervisors-call-for-legal-review-of-southridges-moving-shoppers-bus-stops-b99126686z1-228957751.html


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 Post subject: Re: Southridge Mall moving bus stops (again)
PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:22 pm 
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Milwaukee County supervisors on Wednesday called for a legal review of the Southridge Mall owner's decision to move bus stops to the mall's perimeter by Nov. 1.

The change would pose a hazard to people with disabilities, the elderly and others and represents a bullying tactic that shouldn't be tolerated, opponents to the change said.

Southridge is owned by Indianapolis-based Simon Property Group. It owns 279 malls in 38 states, including five in Wisconsin, according to the firm's website. Southridge is Simon's only mall in the Milwaukee area.

Supervisor Steve F. Taylor said the county should use "hardball" tactics against the mall operator, including ignoring the company's directive and continuing to have buses use the stops closer to the mall entrances.

"If Southridge...wants to play hardball, we should play hardball," Taylor said. "What are they going to do? Are they going to call the cops? Write another letter?"

Supervisor Patricia Jursik called for a community boycott of Southridge if its owner persists in the bus stop change. She said she would personally boycott Southridge.

The board's transportation committee voted unanimously to conduct a legal review on the issue, including whether the federal Americans with Disabilities Act prohibits discriminating against people with disabilities who use the bus vs. those who go to Southridge by car.

Simon has said the change is needed because of damage buses cause to the pavement in the mall parking lots, according to Brian Dranzik, transportation director for the county.

Really? We, the tax payers, gave them millions of dollars in TIF money... let them deal with pavement issues.

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 Post subject: Re: Southridge Mall moving bus stops (again)
PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:04 pm 
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Well it appears now that the plot has gotten thicker.

From JSOnline:
County and U.S. attorney's office reviewing Southridge's moving bus stop

Thanks for your leadership on this, President Hermes. Can you drag your feet any more?

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 Post subject: Re: Southridge Mall moving bus stops (again)
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 6:51 pm 
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This is embarassing to Greendale and the Village leaders need to take action (should've earlier) to force Simon (and SEARS) to stop this situation.

The long trek to Southridge Mall in a wheelchair

Imagine the length of a football field. How about two? Now think about how long it would take an able-bodied person to walk from one end to the other.

Well, if you are in a wheelchair, use a walking aid such as a cane or even have bad knees and you take the bus to Southridge Mall in Greendale, be prepared to wind yourself along an obstacle course the length of more than three football fields just to get to the mall doors.

On Tuesday, I borrowed a wheelchair from Independence First and rode the bus to the mall to see just how difficult it is for those with limited mobility. It was very difficult.

Southridge Mall's decision to move a bus stop to the fringe of the mall's parking lot was a mistake, and it sends a clear message to those with impaired mobility: You are not welcome here.

In November, Southridge moved the bus stop from a location that was close to Sears' main entrance to the edge of the mall parking lot near S. 74th St. and W. Edgerton Ave. The new bus stop is more than 1,000 feet from Sears, but when you get off the bus, it seems as though it is much farther.

Southridge says that it moved the bus stop for safety reasons, but I don't buy that logic and neither did several of the bus patrons I spoke to. The original bus stop was safer because it let patrons off closer to Sears and people didn't need to cross the street. From the new location, once you get off the bus, you follow a yellow-striped path.

If you have good use of your legs, this may not be as much of a problem as it is merely an inconvenience. But if you are in a wheelchair or otherwise impaired, rocks, cracked pavement and uneven surfaces are sure to impede your path.

Once you clear that path, you go up a slight hill and then have to cross the street. And while some drivers did give me the right of way, one driver hastily tried to pass to the right of the stopped vehicles driving in the pedestrian lane.

Because I was in a wheelchair, she almost didn't see me. That was scary.

It's also uncomfortable going up a hill with your back to cars before you can get up on a sidewalk area that's riddled with broken concrete and is tilted on a slight angle that made pushing the wheelchair difficult.

The most frustrating part after completing the obstacle course occurred when I got to the doorway of Sears. I hit the button to open the door, and it did not work. If I were a shopper, I would have turned around right there and not given the mall my business.

"This is the kind of thing that occurs all the time that most people don't notice," said Diana Sullivan, a disability rights and access specialist with Independence First. "Most of the time, stores turn the doors off so they don't work. I don't know why they do this."

http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/the-long-trek-to-southridge-mall-in-a-wheelchair-b99264225z1-258643071.html


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 Post subject: Re: Southridge Mall moving bus stops (again)
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Mayfair Mall only has the buses by Macy's outer ring road. So are we complaining about them as well or just Southridge? I don't think its fair and I do agree it should be moved closer I'm just saying Mayfair isn't any better. :(


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 Post subject: Re: Southridge Mall moving bus stops (again)
PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:38 pm 
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Mayfair Mall only has the buses by Macy's outer ring road. So are we complaining about them as well or just Southridge? I don't think its fair and I do agree it should be moved closer I'm just saying Mayfair isn't any better. :(

Did Greendale grant Mayfair $16 million in TIF money? No.
Greendale did grant Simon/Southridge $16 million.

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 Post subject: Re: Southridge Mall moving bus stops (again)
PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:41 pm 
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Did Greendale grant Mayfair $16 million in TIF money? No.
Greendale did grant Simon/Southridge $16 million.


Im sorry, but was there any terms and conditions set in the contract about the bus stops, prob not So this issue has nothing to do with the TIF money. That was used to upgrade a failing mall and bring businesses back to the village. And the last time I was back in Greendale, Im pretty sure Southridge is once again a successful mall.

I agree as well that the bus stops should be closer, but all that JAS was pointing out is that another local mall uses the same tactic that Southridge wants. I dont recall any uproar about that move, and I used to work at Mayfair. Actually I used to work at both malls.


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 Post subject: Re: Southridge Mall moving bus stops (again)
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Did Greendale grant Mayfair $16 million in TIF money? No.
Greendale did grant Simon/Southridge $16 million.


Im sorry, but was there any terms and conditions set in the contract about the bus stops, prob not So this issue has nothing to do with the TIF money. That was used to upgrade a failing mall and bring businesses back to the village. And the last time I was back in Greendale, Im pretty sure Southridge is once again a successful mall.


Odd, I was just at Mayfair on Tuesday. Walked past the bus stop from the North Mayfair tower on my way to the mall. It's basically across the "road" around the mall. Like, a little over two lanes away. You can throw a stone at Macy's from there without even trying.

And from what I have been told, there was nothing in the agreement with Simon about the bus stop at Southridge... thanks to the overpaid TIF attorney they brought in to do the TIF. So yes, it does have to do with the lack of planning in the TIF agreement.

I would hesitate to call Southridge a "successful mall". It, like Brookfield Square, have two anchors - Sears and Penny's - who are on the edge of financial collapse. If one or both of those chains close, both malls will be hurting.

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 Post subject: Re: Southridge Mall moving bus stops (again)
PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:05 am 
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Again NBJoe, with all the negative posts. Never with a positive view.

JAS and I both agreed that the bus stops at Southridge should be closer, there is no question about that. But I do believe the Mayfair stop you are speaking about is on the Outer Loop road, not the Inner Loop Road.

And as far as successful malls, I still stand by my comment, Regardless of Pennys or Sears. I have complete faith that those anchors would be filled. Lets also address that the outer lots are once again filling up; Success.


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